Fix Cracked Exhaust Manifolds on Your V8 4runner Forever

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There’s one issue holding Toyota’s 4.7L V8 (otherwise known as the 2UZ-FE) back from being the perfect engine. At some point, you will wind up with cracked exhaust manifolds on your V8 4runner, Land Cruiser, Tundra, Sequoia or Lexus GX470. Read on to find out why I believe upgrading to Doug Thorley headers is the best way to fix them.

The 2UZ is a legendary engine. Toyota used it across their entire lineup of trucks. It’s powerful, reliable, easy on oil and incredibly well balanced. Unfortunately, it’s not a matter of “if” but rather “when” the exhaust manifolds will crack. You see, they all do it eventually. Every one of them. And they’re very expensive to replace.

The Problem, and Why It Happens

Toyota isn’t the only one to blame for your exhaust manifolds cracking. If it were up to them, I’m sure they would have over-engineered them just like every other part of the 4runner. This issue exists thanks to emission regulations.

The reason Toyota used this flawed design is to lower the emission readings during cold starts. The 4.7’s manifolds are a tubular design made of thin steel. In order to produce the desired readings, they needed to place the primary catalytic converters as close to the head as possible so that they’ll heat up and start working sooner.

This required mating the catalytic converter and exhaust manifold into a one piece design. Other automakers took a similar approach to this, and surprise surprise, they suffer from the same problem!

The combination of the thin metal and the excessive weight of the catalytic converter hanging off the end is what causes them to crack. Typically, the cracks will appear where the edge of the tube is welded to the flange.

Want to read more about my Toyota 4runner? All the details are shared in this feature article:

Symptoms of a Cracked Exhaust Manifold

The most common sign of a cracked exhaust manifold is a loud ticking sound coming from the engine bay. This ticking sound will speed up and slow down with the revs of the engine. It will get louder when more load is on the engine, and in many cases it’ll go away once it warms up.

The reason the sound goes away when the engine is warm is because metal tends to expand with heat. When the engine is cold, the crack is large enough to leak. When it warms up, the crack gradually closes with the heat expansion.

If your ticking sound remains even when the engine is warmed up (mine did), that means you have a larger crack that still leaks when the metal has expanded. You may notice a sulfur smell with a manifold that’s cracked this badly.

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Potential Damage from cracked exhaust manifolds

There is a bit of good news. Most cracked exhaust manifolds won’t affect the function of your vehicle. It will never leave you stranded on the side of the road. The ticking sound might annoy you enough to make you want to walk home, but it won’t force you to.

Unless you’re dealing with an extreme leak, a cracked exhaust manifold won’t cause a Check Engine Light. The amount of exhaust gas escaping isn’t big enough for the ECU to notice. Driveability won’t change either.

A cracked exhaust manifold shouldn’t cause your vehicle to fail an emissions test. As long as the Check Engine Light isn’t on and the person running the test doesn’t notice a leak that’s too big to ignore, you should be good to go.

As with any form of exhaust leak, carbon monoxide poisoning is a concern. For that reason, your vehicle could potentially fail a safety inspection if you’re buying or selling it.

So why bother fixing a cracked exhaust manifold if it doesn’t ruin performance or reliability? Once you’ve driven in a parking garage, tunnel, or beside a wall, you’ll understand.

The ticking noise is downright embarrassing. Most of us don’t want our vehicles to sound like broken down jalopies. The noise from a cracked manifold is sure to cause heads to turn in your direction as people wonder to themselves: “What’s wrong with that guy’s car?”

Repair Options: Welding, new manifolds, and headers

You have 4 options if you decide to fix your cracked exhaust manifolds. All of them require the labor of removing the manifold(s). This can be expensive if you pay someone to do it, and destroy both your knuckles and patience if you choose to do it yourself.

I would recommend having someone diagnose your problem or give you a 2nd opinion before pulling the trigger on any of these. If there’s any chance that your issue is caused by something else, you won’t want to waste your time and money on fixing your manifolds.

1: Re-welding the original manifold

This is sort of an old-school fix. You’ll save money by not having to purchase replacement parts, but you still have to deal with the labor to remove the manifold. It needs to be removed in order to prep and weld it properly.

This is not a permanent solution. It’ll usually buy you about a year before you either have to do it again or spring for replacement parts. If done incorrectly, you risk warping the flange and creating new leaks.

2: Replacing with a new Toyota manifold

This is probably the most common fix. Many people hear a weird noise, take it to the dealer, and have them fix whatever is wrong. While it does give you the peace of mind of your vehicle being worked on by the experts, it’s also by far the most expensive fix.

I was quoted over $2,000 for a single manifold and the required parts to go with it. That was just for the parts alone. Once you add in the 4-10 hours of labor per side, your repair bill will be astronomical.

On top of that, Toyota has not redesigned these manifolds. They’ll be replacing the parts that failed on your vehicle with the exact same ones. They cracked before, and they’ll crack again. The strong likelihood of future failure combined with the high cost make this a bad option.

3: Replacing with an aftermarket manifold

There are a few aftermarket parts companies that offer exhaust manifolds for the Toyota 4.7. In my opinion, this is the same situation as replacing them with Toyota parts.

What are the chances that a cheaper replica part from China is going to be built better than the original? If the original is bad, it’s safe to assume the knockoff version is worse. I can’t imagine they’ll be able to make a manifold with better steel and offer it for a fraction of the price.

You could get lucky and prove me wrong, but don’t forget about the labor cost. You don’t want to gamble with having to do this twice.

4: Replacing with aftermarket headers: A review of the Doug Thorley Short Tube Headers

Aftermarket headers are the best choice by far, for many reasons. First, the cost.

Cracked Exhaust Manifolds on Your V8 4runner

Cost

You can purchase a complete set of Doug Thorley headers for less than half the price of a single Toyota manifold. It sounds too good to be true, but it’s not. The value alone makes this option a winner.

Longevity

Doug Thorley headers are made of 304 stainless steel and have a lifetime warranty. They’re handmade in America and won’t crack like the original manifolds. This is by far the longest lasting fix for your cracked manifolds. The other 3 options will fail again eventually. These won’t.

You can purchase a set of Doug Thorley headers on Amazon here:

03/04 4runner Headers | 05-09 4runner Headers

Burtman Industries also has them on sale often and is a fellow 4runner owner. Great guy to buy from. Make sure to tell him that Canadian Gearhead sent you! 

03/04 4runner Headers | 05-09 4runner Headers

Performance gains

If you still aren’t convinced, there’s one more advantage to upgrading to Doug Thorley headers: Performance gains. The official claims are impressive. 30 more horsepower and 30 more ft lbs of torque. The increase is not at peak hp and tq though, which tends to confuse a lot of people. Your 4.7 will not make 300hp just by adding these headers.

The 30/30 increase takes place mainly in the mid range of the rpm. Unfortunately, the dyno graph originally provided by Doug Thorley was measured in MPH instead of RPM. Strangely, that graph has since disappeared from the internet.

The graph showed that as hp and tq climbed, the line that represented the headers went up much quicker. It appeared as though the 30/30 gain was around the 4000-5000 rpm range. Peak gains were around 11 hp and 18 ft lbs if I remember correctly.

The added efficiency of these headers over the stock design doesn’t just improve horsepower and torque. They will also boost your fuel economy by as much as 2 miles per gallon! All of these claims should increase even further with the addition of a performance exhaust system and aftermarket intake.

More Doug Thorley short tube header details

Cracked Exhaust Manifolds on Your V8 4runner

Install

As with all of the other options for fixing your cracked exhaust manifolds, this install is not for beginners. The headers come ceramic coated and ready to bolt up. Doug Thorley includes new gaskets, but you’ll have to re-use your old hardware.

The headers come with no flange on the end of them. That’s because you have the choice to either re-use your original catalytic converters or replace them with a straight pipe (and figure out how to bypass the O2 sensors). You’ll need to be able to cut and weld whether you choose to keep the stock cats or not.

You’ll also need to be able to lift one side of the motor. Reaching all of the nuts to remove the old manifold and install the headers can be a real pain. Small hands and plenty of swivel attachments for your ratchet will certainly help.

Cracked Exhaust Manifolds on Your V8 4runner

Results

The silver ceramic coating on these headers looks great. The driver’s side has a Doug Thorley emblem tacked on which is just barely visible once they’re installed in the engine bay. Still a nice touch.

I understand these are made by hand, but my specific set of headers was clearly made by two different employees. While the welds on the driver’s side looked good, the passenger side was a different story.

This concerned me enough to bring the headers to a friend that’s a master mechanic as well as a drag racer for his opinion. After looking them over, he didn’t think there was anything wrong with them structurally and the issue was strictly cosmetic.

Quality control issues aside, I’m glad I had these installed. My exhaust leak is completely gone (although short tube headers do have a bit more of a “tin” sound with an otherwise stock exhaust – this is normal).

Cracked exhaust manifolds are just one of the potential issues you need to look for when buying a 4th generation Toyota 4runner. I list the others in my 4runner buyers guide.

Initially, I couldn’t notice much of a difference when putting around town at low rpm. That’s not where the horsepower and torque gains are though. Above 3000 rpm, the difference is very noticeable in the butt-dyno.

The engine feels much more alive and pulls a lot harder. You’ll find that allowing your 4runner to hold 3rd gear when merging onto a highway will make it zip right up to 60mph effortlessly.

As time goes on and the ECU learns how to adjust for the extra airflow, you’ll notice the engine really wake up. It’s no racecar, but the already well balanced 2UZ feels even healthier with these headers.

Since originally writing this review, I’ve also added a Gibson stainless catback exhaust to my 4runner. The exhaust and headers make a really nice combo. I reviewed this exhaust recently and found it to be a great design with only one minor annoyance.

The only thing remaining on my entire exhaust system that isn’t high quality stainless steel is the y-pipe. Thanks to Jason Burtman and Doug Thorley, they’ve got that covered now too (as well as a new style of long tube headers they’ve just released). Keep an eye out for those.

Cracked Exhaust Manifolds on Your V8 4runner

Conclusion

There’s no better way to fix the cracked exhaust manifolds on your V8 4runner than by upgrading to Doug Thorley headers. They’re stronger than the originals and have a lifetime warranty. That means you’ll never have to worry about it happening again!

They’re a fraction of the price of replacing the originals. You’ll also be rewarded with more horsepower, torque, and fuel economy. It’s not very often that increasing performance on a vehicle also makes it more reliable. This is a win-win in my opinion.

Check them out on Amazon:

Headers for non-vvti 4runners (2003/2004 model years)

Headers for vvti 4runners (2005-2009 model years)

Burtman Industries is also one of the best places to buy any aftermarket exhaust parts for a 4runner:

03/04 4runner Headers | 05-09 4runner Headers

Pros:

  • Fantastic design
  • Ceramic coating (mine were among the first batch of their new supplier)
  • Low cost
  • Lifetime warranty
  • New gaskets included

Cons:

  • Potentially confusing performance claims
  • Quality control issues (aesthetic)

53 responses to “Fix Cracked Exhaust Manifolds on Your V8 4runner Forever”

  1. Jakob Avatar
    Jakob

    I just had the Doug Thorley headers installed on my 2006 Limited V8. They seem to be great and no more ticking, but the check engine light is on as well as TC OFF lights are on. Did you excpirence this? If so, is there a way to fix this?

    1. Tim Rempel Avatar

      Are you still running the factory cats? I’d start by reading the codes, then clear them to see if they come back.

      -Tim

  2. Sven Stenberg Avatar

    My ticking manifolds just turned into…something much, MUCH louder! I just took a trip from Vancouver Island to the BC Interior and had the flange above the rear diff rust out and subsequently melt the air hose for the rear air bags. Doing a mountain highway road trip without rear suspension is…not fun. 🙂
    Then, on the way back home, the exhaust got LOUD. There’s a leak somewhere up in the front, but I’m not sure where. I figure it’s time to just redo the entire exhaust system now!
    Did you weld on new cats, reuse your old cats, or go straight piped? It seems the government has clamped down on companies selling simulators, so I’m thinking shorties with cats is the way to go…

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      I had the original cats welded onto a set of shorties. Everything passed our emissions test (when we still had it) with no problems.

      -Tim

  3. Jeff from the 2/24/19 post Avatar
    Jeff from the 2/24/19 post

    The DT header install went fine, expensive, but worth it. Noticeable increase in power and mileage, and of course the loss of ticking. With old vehicles come challenges of course and now it looks like a bad cat. CEL with P0430. Was hoping for the cheapest fix, replaced all O2 sensors with no success. There’s a fairly significant exhaust leak now as well. Any chance the leak could be causing the sensors to fire the code? The leak is right at the Y pipe. Found DT and Underdog both have replacement pipes for that so will probably go that route. If the cat is bad (at 125k) then I’ll probably just replace both at the same time since I’ll be paying to drop the engine to get the headers off anyway. Need to find a 4Runner enthusiast around me. The last guy was very good, but also pretty expensive.

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      I believe I’ve had that code be caused by an exhaust leak before. If the leak is bad enough, it can mess with the o2 sensors. I’d definitely start by fixing the leak and clearing the code.

      -Tim

  4. Paul Truesdale Avatar
    Paul Truesdale

    Will this solution work on a land-cruiser
    05 model? If so where did you find these parts recently everywhere I look they are sold out or back order

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      Not sure if they’ll fit a Land Cruiser. Try checking with Jason at Burtman Industries, he might know more.

      -Tim

  5. Chris Simpson Avatar
    Chris Simpson

    Is this your daily driver? Have you noticed cats going bad with the shorty headers? I am looking to do the same with shorties and cat back. I live in a city that requires emission testing so need to keep the cats and not do a full exhaust upgrade. Major concern I have is going through cats a lot faster (costly repair each time) with headers that are pushing hotter faster air through to cause them to throw codes once cat is shot.
    – Chris

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      Yes, it’s my daily driver and I also towed a camper trailer across Canada a few months ago. No issues at all with the original cats on the headers to this day. We don’t have emission testing here in Ontario anymore but when we did, it passed with flying colors.

      -Tim

  6. Elijah Rawls Avatar
    Elijah Rawls

    Love it. I have an 07 V8 rig as well with a noticeable leak. Do you have a video of the removal/install?

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      Unfortunately, I don’t 🙁
      -Tim

  7. Burtman Industries Avatar

    Great write-up and thank you. For anyone near PA, we do install these headers if you can’t find and installer or don’t want to do it yourself. Feel free to call/text 717-319-2100

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      This is one of the few times I’ll allow promotions in comments here. Hope you’re well, my friend 🙂

  8. james Avatar
    james

    who did the install…id rather go to a shop/person who has already done this and knows what to do

  9. Levi Avatar
    Levi

    I just had dt shorties installed with original cats on the back. Having an issue with cel vsc off and vsc trac idiot lights illuminated now. Yes all sensors are plugged in.

    Did you encounter any of these issues on yoir install?

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      Have you tried clearing them to see if they come back?

      -Tim

  10. Matt Avatar
    Matt

    Hey there, thanks for the awesome article! ’06 4Runner here and got a cracked passenger side manifold. I’m a little confused on what to do about the cats. In theory, if I bought these headers, would I just need to cut the correct amount of the OEM exhaust out to make them fit/line up? I don’t mind keeping the stock cats, I just don’t exactly know how the fitment will be with these and what the fitment will entail. Would I have to cut the exhaust upstream from the existing flange, or downstream? Thanks!! -Matt

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      The flange stays the same, you just cut the manifold side of the cat. The instructions say to temporarily mount the headers so you can get everything sized up and tacked together, then take them back off to fully weld.

      -Tim

  11. Tristan McMannis Avatar
    Tristan McMannis

    Great article, thanks for posting. Is there an aftermarket cat that you recommend? Don’t like the idea of welding the original cats to these things. Or is it really that hard to bypass the o2 sensors? Just bought an ’05 today and have this issue and looking for the best way to fix. Thanks.

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      I’ve found that aftermarket cats don’t seem to last as long as OEM ones but that could just be a coincidence for me. I think the Magnaflow ones are decent. Bypassing the O2 sensors sounds easy enough but I didn’t want to deal with it so I just kept the OEM stuff.

      -Tim

  12. Joseph Rivera Avatar
    Joseph Rivera

    Could I still install these in my 2004 4runner its it’s not a V8 or 4.7L? It’s a SR5?

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      These ones only work for V8 4runners.

      -Tim

    2. Richard Avatar
      Richard

      Tim, I’ve consulted your buying guide many of times while searching for my perfect V8 4runner… And I found it! Just about everything I would want on a 4runner has been done by the previous owner except for a backup camera and of course the Doug Thorley headers. It appears both the links you’ve provided are out of stock, and I’ll reach out to them soon. It’s September 2020, do you think they’re just sold out or completely discontinued? Thank you for your videos and articles.

      Richard

      1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
        Canadian Gearhead

        They’re a fairly small operation so I’d assume they’re just running behind. I’d recommend checking with Jason at Burtman Industries to see if he can help at all.

        -Tim

        1. Richard Avatar
          Richard

          They will be available in 4-6 weeks! So I just need to order these and have them hooked up to my original cats/exhaust. Sounds simple enough. Did you do it or did you take it to a mechanic/Toyota tech?

          Richard

          1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
            Canadian Gearhead

            Thanks for the update! I had a friend that was a Toyota tech at the time do it.

            -Tim

  13. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Interested in the real-world MPG you’re seeing on the HWY after the Headers and Cat-back compared to before.

    Awesome content. Keep it up.

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      Last time I calculated it I was around 14.5 MPG with mostly city driving. Really happy with that considering the wheels and tires that are on it.

      -Tim

      1. Jon Avatar
        Jon

        Gotcha. Next long trip you make, could you monitor your MPG? Going to get the Thorley’s eventually, just trying to gauge if the 2-3 mpg claims I’ve seen online are real or not.

        Thanks again.

      2. Christopher Jeffrey Scott Avatar
        Christopher Jeffrey Scott

        How much was the install of the DT headers for you guys? I have a 06 4runner v8 and just recently forked out $700 to have a mechanic replace the manifold gasket because it was corroded (mech. said it should fix the problem and it did not) now after reading this and doing more research I think this is probably it. Just realized I wasted $600 in labor cost and that’s a hard pill to swallow. Any help would be great. Thanks

        1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
          Canadian Gearhead

          Hopefully others can chime in for you because I had a friend install mine. From what I’ve seen, it looks like $700-$1000 is pretty normal to install the headers but it really depends on who does it.

          -Tim

  14. Casey Avatar
    Casey

    Did you get a check engine light after installing these?

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      As long as you run the OEM cats, there are no issues with check engine lights or emission testing. The ECU has no idea that they aren’t factory manifolds.

      -Tim

      1. Casey Avatar
        Casey

        Perfect, thanks! I just picked up my 07 V8 Limited and it’s got the typical “tick tick tick” from the cracked manifold. Took it on a 1500 mile trip this weekend and it is just enough to annoy the crap out of me, so ordered these and now just waiting for them to come in the mail so I can shell out some more cash to have them installed (sarcastic yay!).

        P.S. I read through your 4th gen buyer’s guide before purchasing. Awesome write-up, thanks a ton for all of the useful info!

        1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
          Canadian Gearhead

          The initial cost is a hard one to swallow, but looking back now I’m really glad I went with the headers. The last time I hand calculated my fuel economy, I was sitting at 14.4 MPG (mostly city driving). These headers helped me regain pretty much all of the MPGs I lost with the lift and 285 tires.

          Glad you found the buyers guide helpful. Enjoy your new rig!

          -Tim

  15. Martin Taxera Avatar
    Martin Taxera

    Hi there, I have the 2006 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4.7L V8 and am interested in the DT headers. I already replaced one cracked manifold and am hoping this solution will prevent me from replacing more (and paying a lot more $$). I have a Gibson Cat Back Exchaust and Volant Cold Air intake as well, so I’m looking to remove any other constrictions in air flow. Given that, I’m considering the Magnaflow High Flow cats, universal fit. Do you have a part # or recommendation for this. Also, would an O2 sensor part required for this type of install and would you be able to recommend one? Thanks for the guidance to this novice! Martin

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      Not sure about the high flow cats, but I know there are a few people on the T4r.org forums using them. From what I understand, O2 emulators or defoulers are a must when you delete the cats entirely, and a “maybe” if you switch to high flow cats. I’d say it’s probably pretty likely that you’ll need them.

      -Tim

  16. Brian Avatar
    Brian

    Thanks for the info. I’ve been trying to find the Doug Thorley headers for my 2003 Land Cruiser but with no luck. Do you know if they make them for the land cruiser, and perhaps the best source for buying them? I don’t see them on Amazon or anywhere else I’ve searched.
    Thanks

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      I’m not sure about the Land Cruisers. It’s possible the 4runner or GX470 ones would fit – might want to look into that. The forums at ih8mud.com seem to be a pretty good resource for Land Cruisers. Hopefully you can find more info there. If Doug Thorley does in fact make them for the Land Cruiser, Jason at Burtman Industries should be able to source them for you. If might be worth an email or phone call to him to see if he knows of any other options available too.

      -Tim

  17. Jeff Avatar
    Jeff

    Hello, Looking at doing this on my ’05 Runner that has a cracked driver manifold. Found an exhaust shop that will do it. Did you replace the manifold covers on yours? Was assuming those provide some heat shielding and didn’t know if I needed to pick up news ones(existing are rotted), if they’re needed or even if they’ll fit with the headers in place. Trying to make sure I have all the parts needed so I don’t end up having to wait while parts are ordered. Anything else you can think of I should pick up prior? Manifold studs, nuts? Cool post, glad I found it and thanks much for it.

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      The factory heat shields won’t fit on the headers so there’s nothing to worry about there. These have a high temp coating on them so heat isn’t much of an issue. Ordering new studs and nuts is a good idea just in case. If you’re going to be reusing the oem catalytic converters, I think that should be all you need. If you’re using aftermarket cats or none at all, you might have to look into O2 sensor emulators or spacers to avoid throwing any codes.

      -Tim

      1. Jeff Avatar
        Jeff

        Gotcha. Going to use the existing cats. Had a hard time telling how many studs there actually are. Found one post that said 16 of the 9008012007 and 8 of the 9008012008. Actually, the post said 16 and 4 but that didn’t make sense based on the pics of the manifold. Having a custom exhaust guy do the work so hopefully it goes smoothly.

  18. Jordan M Avatar
    Jordan M

    I’ve heard that some people would do Magnaflow High-Flow cats instead of re-using the original cats. What do you think about this? Any chance you have a part number for Magnaflow High-Flow cats?
    Jordan

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      Yeah the high flow cats are definitely popular with people that are looking for performance. I had a Magnaflow high flow cat on my Grand Cherokee and it didn’t last as long as I would have hoped. Since the headers would have to come back off and be rewelded in the event of a cat failure, I chose to stick with the tried and true OEM ones. I’ve heard conflicting reports from people about whether or not o2 sensor defoulers are needed to pass emissions with high flow cats, so that’s another thing to consider.

  19. Bryce Basiliere Avatar
    Bryce Basiliere

    Did anyone ever confirm if these are C.A.R.B. certified (CA legal)? I am in CA and need an option that will also pass smog and won’t break the bank. I am ok with welding and reusing the oem cats.

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      The last I saw, they were pending CARB approval. You might be able to get more info by contacting Doug Thorley directly.

      Tim

  20. Nathan McCann Avatar
    Nathan McCann

    Would you consider the Magnaflow #51217 and #51323 in the #3 option of cheap knockoff that will eventually fail again? I only ask because I was trying to eliminate welding on a CAT and just doing a strait bolt-on replacement that won’t re-crack and will pass the emissions testing Albuquerque makes us do.

    1. Canadian Gearhead Avatar
      Canadian Gearhead

      Hey Nathan,

      I view Magnaflow as a pretty high-quality company. But in this case, I don’t think their solution is a very good one for a few reasons. They advertise those manifolds as “direct fit” with no mention of improvements over the original flawed design. This leads me to believe they’ll suffer the same fate as the originals.

      I totally understand not wanting to deal with welding the cats on, but it’s definitely worth the hassle. You can buy a PAIR of Doug Thorley headers for the price of a single Magnaflow manifold. On top of that, you get a stronger design, lifetime warranty, better MPG and gains in both horsepower and torque. To me, it’s a no-brainer: pay twice the price for an inferior design or weld a pair of cats on some headers. The money you save on the parts can be spent on the labor to weld/install the headers and you’ll have the longest lasting fix possible.

      Emissions testing was a big concern of mine as well. That’s why I chose to stick with the OEM cats. Doing it this way is a fully legal setup that passes emissions without a problem. I’ve heard through the grapevine that Doug Thorley is currently working on having these headers CARB certified so they’ll meet the strictest standards in California.

      After a quick Google search, I found a few negative reviews for the Magnaflow manifolds. One complained of fitment issues that were bad enough to send the part back for replacement. You could easily spend the same amount of money in fabrication/labor to make the Magnaflows fit properly as it would cost to weld the cats to the headers. If fitment is an issue, then they’re no longer a bolt-on replacement. Just something to think about.

      You might find it helpful to spend some time on the T4r.org forums researching both options. There should be some more info about both on there.

      Tim

  21. Sergey Avatar
    Sergey

    Hi Tim,

    What shop did you get them installed? I’m also in Ontario and was wondering what the install cost on something like this.

    Thanks,
    Sergey

    1. Canadian Gear Head Avatar
      Canadian Gear Head

      I actually had a friend install them at his place so I’m afraid I’m not too much help there. I usually tell people to budget around $1000 for labor. I can’t imagine any mechanic or decent exhaust shop having trouble with the install. Aside from having to weld the cats on, the job is exactly the same as replacing an OEM manifold.

      Tim

  22. Sergey Avatar
    Sergey

    Did you install the oem or aftermarket cat? If not, how did you get rid of the CEL?

    How’s the sound?

    Thanks,
    Sergey

    1. Canadian Gear Head Avatar
      Canadian Gear Head

      Hey Sergey,

      I had my oem cats welded to the new headers by a muffler shop. URD makes O2 simulators if you don’t want to run any cats. You can read more about what people are doing to solve the CEL here: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/108131-interest-custom-built-4th-gen-v8-4-7-doug-thorley-headers-61.html

      Since I’m running an otherwise stock exhaust, the sound hasn’t changed much at all. Maybe a bit more smooth sounding since the headers flow so much better.

      Thanks for reading!
      Tim

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    Have you ever left your house on your way to work, only to find out that your car won’t start? A dead battery is one of the most frustrating things on the list of scenarios that will make you late for work. If you find yourself in this situation, you have a few options to…

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  • 41 Ways To Make Your Car Look Awesome (Detailing Checklist)

    41 Ways To Make Your Car Look Awesome (Detailing Checklist)

    I’ve heard people complain about the term “auto detailing” and that it should really just be referred to as washing a car. And if you’re describing some of the lazy detailers out there, it’s probably accurate. But there’s a lot more to detailing a car than simply giving it a quick bath. It’s what separates…

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  • The Fastest Way To Wash Your Car (Under an hour)

    The Fastest Way To Wash Your Car (Under an hour)

    Have you been struggling to find time to detail your car or truck? It can be tough for car enthusiasts to take care of their vehicles when they’re busy with other things like work or a family. In this guide, I’ll walk you through a proven strategy to not only wash your car, but use…

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